The Big Mac - 25th anniversary meeting

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At the AGM it was decided that the committee would organise just one event this year, but aim to make it a big one. We would like to see lots of members join in, especially those who haven't attended any of our events in the past.

We have fixed the dates as 25th July to 1st August, and are finalising our thoughts as to the venue. We shortlisted three: the Broads, the Blackwater, and Chichester Harbour. The favourite among those at the meeting was the Blackwater, and we are looking at the logistics to make sure it is viable, and will offer a range of sailing for all preferences.

The dates are Wednesday-to-Wednesday, and we will cater for anyone who only has the weekend free to join us in the middle.

Watch this space for more announcements.

Rick Jones (Treasurer), former 26X & 19 owner, Isle of Wight

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Hello all,

Hello all,

Upon preparing the boat for the road today, I noticed that my starboard spreader has virtually snapped through where it joins the steel assembly at the mast. I'll attempt to get the boatyard to effect a repair tomorrow but some advise please:-

Am I right to assume that the spreader does not carry excessive loading? It seems to me that the standing rigging load is carried at the mast further up than the spreader, and at the chain fitting at deck level?

My thoughts for a repair are to insert a steel rod into the alu spreader and also into the steel assembly, and bolt through. Does that make sense?

If a fix is not possible I'm still coming but regrettably I will be motoring everywhere!

What a drag!

Regards, John

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Hi John

Hi John

The main load on the spreaders is end-on, so inserting a joint rod or tube should be adequate. Your failure is a fatigue break resulting from inevitable flexing over time.

It's important that the top section of shroud is correctly adjusted, the manual specifies the distance between the top end of the shroud and the spreader fitting. Make sure this is exactly correct (both sides) when re-assembling.

Hope you'll be able to sail!

Rick Jones (Treasurer), former 26X & 19 owner, Isle of Wight

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I have a couple of spare

I have a couple of spare spreaders that are only slightly bent. Should I bring one along?

David Claassen

"Logan's Run"

2006 26M

Hmm. The spreader does

Hmm. The spreader does potentially take a load on an M which has no back stay so depends on rear sweep of spreaders to keep it in proper position. Especially if sailing.

The spreader is a simple aluminium tube and I replaced mine quickly before an event in past. If you can give me the exact dimensions...external and internal diameter plus approximate length I can buy at metal merchants Monday morning and we can fix it at Bradwell. Internal diameter is important to fit spreader end back in. You can remove the black end by unscrewing fixation screw. Have you got calipers to measure?

Roly

Hi Rick & Roly,

Hi Rick & Roly,

Thanks for info.

Roly, so kind of you go to so much trouble, but regret I have no calipers. I'll try and buy some first thing am and let you know. Roly, don't worry if I get you the info too late for your days plan. You must me running around, like me, getting everything ready!

Kind regards, John

Hi all

Hi all

nothing like last minute contact! So sorry we haven’t been in touch we are intending to come Tuesday to ​ Thursday probably

Rod and Jill

(Pilchard)

Great Rod.  Any chance you

Great Rod. Any chance you can make it to Friday since our plan was to go to River Crouch Thursday and be back Friday. Otherwise a day sail and possible seafood lunch together at West Mersea would be nice.

Roly

Hi, Rod and Jill

Hi, Rod and Jill

Where do you plan to launch and retrieve?

The fleet plans to be in Titchmarsh Marina (weather etc....) exploring the Walton Backwaters so it might be worth heading there direct.

Best to check with Marina Office as to best times to launch and retrieve. They do have a slipway and assume it will cope with a Mac but do check.

http://www.titchmarshmarina.co.uk/

Good Luck

Simon Armitage

Sowenna 26M

Hi 

Hi

we rang Bradwell so planning to go in the water there tomorrow pm

then by Thursday I meant the 3rd -more speed less haste!

When are you planning to go to Titchmarsh it’s like tomorrow or later?

Rod

That is good that you are

That is good that you are booked into Bradwell.

Are you coming to the Gala Dinner at Tollesbury on 28th? You will need to select your food choices on the website set up by Rick. ASAP please as Friday was cut off date so I will have to have a wee chat with the chef.

The fleet is planning to sail to Burnham on Crouch Marina on 26th, returning to Bradwell on 27th.

Then the fleet heads for Titchmarsh Marina on Monday 30th, probably returning to Bradwell on 1st. August

Please let us know your plans so we can update Marinas to book berths.

Thanks

Simon Armitage

Sowenna 26 M

 I will book you an overnight

I will book you an overnight berth at Tollesbury and another one at Burnham Marina and will meet up at the dinner.

Simon.

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Hi Guys,

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to convey my apologies for not being able to make it to this amazing event.

Sounds like it's going to be terrific and I look forward to hearing the stories in due course.

MacGregor 26M 2009 - Sky's the Limit -  Suzuki DF50

It seems like Mac adventures

It seems like Mac adventures get more amazing year by year. Your's was brilliant. Of course, those who are long term owners have had some incredibly amazing trips as evidenced by the backlogs of the Mac Sailor Magazine.

Simon Armitage

Sowenna 26 M

Wishing all a merry sail and

Wishing all a merry sail and fair winds. Alas family commitments have me elsewhere, no not absoute version of alas, just sorry not to develop the skill of bilocation yet. In fact am still confined to a main sail!! Fair winds to ye all as I search for pirate ships for my four year old boys.

Very best wishes on this Gala,

Neil MCann

Fermanagh

Thanks for your good wishes,

Thanks for your good wishes, Neil,

Bradwell and the Rivers Blackwater and Crouch are probably as far away from Ireland as possible before hitting the Continent.

Enjoy your sailing and you can 'read all about it' in due course.

Simon Armitage

thanks Simon

thanks Simon

Jill sent Rick an e-m with our menu choices last week? dont know if you/he received them?

we will go with the flow so if we need to update the marinas or if you want me to let me know

Rod

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Jill sent Rick an e-m with our menu choices last week? dont know if you/he received them?

Sorry, I didn't get an email. Can you try again, and/or post in the other thread with the menu?

Thanks. Looking forward to seeing Pilchard & co again!

Rick Jones (Treasurer), former 26X & 19 owner, Isle of Wight

Hullo

Hullo

Where (which pub) might you all be on the evening of 29th July? I hope to be able to join you for a beer or two then and lunch the following day (though I'll be in the camper van, rather than my Mac, I'm afraid). I hope to be with you traffic permitting by 20:00hrs.

Any pointers most welcome.

Very best

Stu

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Hi Stu

Hi Stu

The plan is to be in Bradwell on the night of 29th, and probably using the Green Man pub. The plan for 30th is to sail to Walton Backwaters, staying there at Titchmarsh marina. If you joined a boat it would be a bit difficult to get back to the camper!

Are you just staying one night? If you were to make it a day later you could meet us at Titchmarsh, where we will be for the following night as well.

Of course these plans may change - based on past experience of Mac events, they probably will. Not sure how much that helps ...

Rick Jones (Treasurer), former 26X & 19 owner, Isle of Wight

Hi Stuart.  Good to hear you

Hi Stuart. Good to hear you will be around. Pity you can't make the 28th but it would be good to meet up on 29th . Current plan is free sailing and exploration in the Blackwater estuary or up the river and end up back in Bradwell for the night. However consensus might be for some to wild moor or cook aboard since we will have partied the night before. Keep in touch and I will also call / text you..

on 3oth we plan to go to Titchmarsh Marina near Walton on the naze and will likely have a bbq that night.

Roly

Roly

Sorry Rick if you didn't get

Sorry Rick if you didn't get the email

we wanted to order the mackerel starter with the crab salad main dish for two of us

rod

Passage Planning - The

Passage Planning - The Blackwater to the Crouch and back.

Many of you will be on the road en-route to the delights of the Essex Coast, so wishing you a safe and uneventful journey.

It is recommended that you only use the shortcut through the Ray Channel which runs between Buxey Sands and Dengie Flats on a rising tide above half tide so using the last of the ebb to exit the Blackwater and the flood to sail up the Crouch means you will need to continue further eastwards to the Wallet Spitway buoy, then head about 140 degrees to the Swin Spitway (which you should be able to see) and then head SW following the channel markers up the Crouch.

Wind is forecast to be from the South/South West and sadly not a lot of it.

Plenty of fuel and high SPF sun tan lotion.

Reverse this on your way back to Braadwell.

Good Saling

Simon Armitage

Sowenna 26 M

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Hi Rick  and All,

Hi Rick and All,

Peter & I are all set to sail ASHANTI up from the Medway tomorrow.

Wind is predicted to be light & variable so I think we will be motoring quite a bit, anyway we hope to be at Bradwell at the latest by 19:30 hopefully to join you all for a few beers before dinner.

Looking forward to seeing you all ,

John & Peter

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That's great John. We've got

That's great John. We've got 8 boats here now, having after dinner drinks at the Green Man! See you tomorrow.

Rick Jones (Treasurer), former 26X & 19 owner, Isle of Wight

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I am going to provision a bit

I am going to provision a bit tomorrow before heading up on Friday. Does anyone want/need any US sourced food (biscuits, etc)? I would be happy to try to pick it up if possible.

David Claassen

"Logan's Run"

2006 26M

Dear fellow Big Mac Sailors

Dear fellow Big Mac Sailors

Thank you so much for being so welcoming to Rosemary and I at Bradwell. Congratulations to Rolly and Simon for organising such a great location. Thanks to Rick for letting me hitch a ride on White Lightning and thanks too to Colin and Mick for taking Rosemary out for the day on Colin's boat. Also, thank you to Mick, Maureen and Alan for showing me how to rig a 26. All invaluable experience and a great couple of days too.

Lovely to meet you all and I hope you enjoy the rest of the Big Mac. Must get my trailer fixed so I can bring our boat to the next one.

Best wishes

Tony McKenna

Hi, Tony,

Hi, Tony,

So pleased you got everything you needed at the rally and hope to see you on the water somewhere.

Watch this space and/or the association magazine for news and photos of the Big Mac

Simon.

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Thanks to all, especially

Thanks to all, especially Simon, Roly, and Rick for all the work to plan and bring off the event and to John for the lovely time aboard Ashanti.

It was a great event!

David Claassen

"Logan's Run"

2006 26M

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I'd also like to add my

I'd also like to add my thanks.

A great bunch of people.

It's a shame that for the two days we were there we were stuck in the marina due to the weather but we had a nice time and managed to at least practice launching and recovering for our first time. Also managed to add another page of jobs to do for our next outing.

Thanks

Chris

"Getaway"
1989 26D

 

'89 Macgregor 26D: Getaway

Thanks to Roly and Simon for

Thanks to Roly and Simon for the setting up of a great event, notwithstanding having either too little or too much wind. Also thanks to Roly, Quentin, Chris, my bro' Peter and all other Mac folk and some non-Maccers who helped me launch and recover in difficult circumstances. My jockey wheel arrangements are being sorted and I'm researching winches! The sailing area we covered was highly impressive I thought, and the villages and towns around were a delight. The locals too seemed so helpful & polite - drivers, locals in pubs, asking for directions. I'm planning a road trip to show the area off to Annie.

Regards to all.

John Richardson 'Sonny' 26M

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To all who took part or had

To all who took part or had anything to do with the BIG MAC, I can only say a great big thank you !!

The last 6 days have been the best ever days of my sailing experience which goes back more than 40 years

The friendship, helpfulness and sheer good fun will remain with me forever. What’s more as many of you will know The jury was out as to whether a Mac was the boat for me and I am pleased to say I am now pretty confident about keeping it and will spend time and dough to make some upgrades to make it better.

Finally, thanks to Roly. Simon & Rick for all there hard work in organising an thanks to the men in my life Peter, Quentin & David who put up with me and without whose help I could not have had such a great time.

Im back in Kent now but ASHANTI is still in Bradwell , I’m planning to sail her back to the Medway at the end of next week - hopefully via the Roach and Havengore bridge

Thanks & Regards to you All

John

I endorse John's thank you to

I endorse John's thank you to Roly, Simon and Rick - Dot and I thoroughly enjoyed the dinner and meeting so many like minded sailors to share and exchange ideas and experience with.

Also very impressed with all the offers of help to help sort out our broken dagger board and damaged propeller which prevented us taking a more active part in the meeting.

I am now casting a new dagger board mould from our damaged one. We are documenting the process and will make the mould available to anyone who wants to use it if it all works as planned.

We should be operational again in a few days as we have sourced a propeller and a refurbished dagger board ready to refit.

I will also finish documenting the rose joint modifications we made to our steering linkage to remove the backlash and post it to the site for anyone who's interested.

It was great to meet you all.

Mike and Dot Clarke - Tarka 26M

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Nice pictures Mike

Nice pictures Mike

one further thing occurs to me and that is to thank the Roz and the other Ladies who graced the dinner and voyages and kept our sailors vocabulary somewhat decent !!

i hope you get your repairs done shortly so you can take advantage of the weather which seems set fair for a while.

Thanks for showing us your steering mods I look forward to your post on the upgrade. You also mentioned a possible hydraulic upgrade - details of that would be great also.

Thanks & Regards,

John

ASHANTI

thanks to Roly, Simon and

thanks to Roly, Simon and Rick for such a well organised trip!

Thanks to Colin for the sailing

Rod and Jill

Pilchard

The Hydraulic steering for

The Hydraulic steering for the Mac 26 is a 'Hydrokit 1' from Southern Cross marine - I've attached the tech data sheet and the quote I got from them earlier this year. I decided to replace the crude linkage with stainless rose joints to get rid of the backlash before deciding if I wanted to instal the hydraulics. The rose joints made it much better with more feel so I still haven't decided if I want to spend that much on hydraulics.

Thank you for your enquiry.

As discussed today the ideal system for your McGregor 26M is the HyDrive Hydra Kit system.

You may notice the choice of helms below are commercial rated, which is the only type of helm that should be used for the unique style of the 26M.

HYDRAKIT consists of the following;

1 x 212T N8 cylinder + fittings

1 x 1.5M stainless remote cable with adaptor

1 x 401N8 helm + fittings with rear mount kit OR 101N8 helm unit (as in attachment)

1 x 15M coil of N8 nylon tube

2 x 1 litres of Ultra 15 HyDrive oil

1 x Manual and bleeder kit

Price £815.00 plus VAT

I trust the above is of interest if you require more details please do not hesitate in contacting me.

Southern Cross Marine Ltd

Tel; +44 (0)1725 511601

scmsales@btconnect.com

www.southerncrossmarine.co.uk

Mike and Dot Clarke - Tarka 26M

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Thanks Mike

Thanks Mike

i think I will do the rose joints first then decide about the Hydraulics. Probably a job for the winter whilst ASHANTI is ashore

i would also consider an Autopilot but which I guess would work best with Hydraulics

Loads of dough though !!

Can you remind me of the size for the rose joints.

Again many thanks

John

ASHANTI

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Hello all, just to add my

Hello all, just to add my thanks to Simon and Roly and all who made the effort to attend the gathering on the Blackwater. Such a shame for me that I had to depart on the Friday - for a soggy wedding and similar weather, camping in Galloway. Thoroughly enjoyed my time with the Richardsons on board Sonny and also with John P on Ashanti - great fun with both. I am heading to Whitehaven on Sunday with a view to 4 days around Isle of Man - I will update on how this goes. Spoke to Jim R and Susan last night (sold Pengwyn to a nice man from Gloucester and now moored with new boat in Tarbert) and promised them I'd go up for Whitsun week, 2019 - all Maccers welcome. I have uploaded photographs from last week to the gallery but I struggled to get them in chronological order and it rejected my comments too, not witty enough I suspect. If anyone doesn't want their picture in the gallery, let me know and I will delete. Regards to all, Commodore Q

Quentin Sands, past owner

1991 26C Mrs MacGregor 

1993 Mac19, Margarita 

The rose joints I used link

The rose joints I used link attached - they are 316 stainless so full salt water compatible. Part No.852-410 from WDS ltd £9.78 each - I'm still working on the final part which is the linkage to the motor link to the steering tiller - the 180 degree bend is difficult to make and seems a little unnecessary from the mechanics point of view - if /when I work out how to make that with a rose joint I'll share. The rose joints remove nearly all the back lash dead movement so you can feel what's happening as well as making the wheel much lighter as it removes a lot of unnecessary friction. I've fitted three - on the two ends of the steering tie bar and the motor connection.

I've included a couple of photos of the rose joint on the motor linkage - I also have them on the ends of the rudder linkage to give me some adjustment and a much better rudder feedback when sailing. You can see how I isolate the motor form the steering when sailing. If you don't disconnect the motor there is no feel/ feedback when sailing making it impossible to sail well close on the wind. Remember how much feedback you get in a sailing dinghy when sailing with a tiller and extension!

http://www.wdsltd.co.uk/product/5162/swivel-eye-rose-joint-rod-ends-with...

Makes an immense difference for the money.

Mike & Dot - Tarka 26M

PS thanks to every one

PS thanks to every one helping to get is sorted with a new dagger board and prop. The Dagger board is now in place - thanks to Simon, and we now have a new prop we fitted today.

So can now sail again.

I just realised I forgot to

I just realised I forgot to mention - if you fit the rose joints they use 10mm metric bolts and have metric threads but the existing steering is held together with 3/8 inch UNC bolts which fit in a 9.525 mm hole - so to fit the rose joints you need new 10mm bolts (Screwfix are the cheapest I could find) and you need to ream out the existing holes in the rudder tiller arms with a tapered hand reamer to 10mm - its not particularly difficult but a bit of work as you can't get a drill in and you only need to remove 0.25 mm all round the existing hole to get a good tight fit. The only moving part is then the rose joint bearing which is large and has very little friction, is sealed and lubricated for life with no dead movement or backlash. The rose joint is screwed into a threaded stainless rod connecting nut (again from Screwfix) welded to the existing or our case a new stainless part.

Hope this is useful

Mike C - Tarka 26M

Hullo,

Hullo,

I'm sorry I could only join you for that one evening at Brightlingsea. But thanks to all who were there for making me feel so welcome.

It's an honour to take on the role of Magazine Editor -- I hope I'll do justice to my illustrious predecessors.

If anyone has ideas for the magazine and/or articles they'd like to see in print, please drop me a line: stuartmcwilliam@icloud.com will get to me. Or call me on 07590 108971.

I hope to see much more of many more of you over the coming months.

All the very best

Stu

Stuart McWilliam

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Hi again Mike

Hi again Mike

Thanks for all the details of the steering upgrades they should help a lot.

Regarding the final connection to the engine I upgraded to the BWY quick release kit which seems to take any slip out of that part.

I will try to attach a picture.

Regards

John

ASHANTI

Thanks to all who came to

Thanks to all who came to this event. Ros and I had a great time. It was super to meet up with so many Mac owners , friends old and new. Looking forward to meeting up again.

The weather was kind most of the time so despite some "Arr" moments we had plenty of "Ah" times on Aranah ....like swimming off the back of the boat while on auto-helm mid-sea , spotting a porpoise going by , a seal and a curlew. Lovely sunsets sunrises and beautiful Essex scenery.

I have posted just a few of my photos of friends and experiences .

PS......John Pompeii has volunteered/ been press-ganged into the official write -up but do post any of your own comments or photos...the more the merrier!

Roly

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Hi Roly,

Hi Roly,

Great photos

I started my write up on the train back from Bradwell where the boat currently is.

My plan is to sail her back with the help of Peter at the end of this week. We hope to bring her round to Burnham on Friday and attempt the Roach/!Havengore route on Saturday

ayy advice on this route would be appreciated

I intend to finish the write up when back at Gillingham

Regards

John

ASHANTI

Hi john. Do you have the east

Hi john. Do you have the east coast pilot for this route. I can scan and email to you.

Roly

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Hi Roly,

Hi Roly,

Yes I have the ECP and I went up to the area yesterday at low tide to “spy out the land”

its not possible to get to the bridge during the week as firing is in process but I did get to talk to the guy who runs Wakering Boatyard which is just short of the bridge and he gave me some good tips.

it would have been nice to hear from anyone from the MAC community who had made the passage

Anyway all being well we will give it a try on Saturday and report back.

Regards

John

ASHANTI

Hi John 

Hi John

We were based in Gillingham until 2013. We went to Burnham and back via Havengore. On the outward trip the wind was due west and generated a following sea im the Thames which was a surprise in force 4. Fortunately things improved as we headed across the Maplin sands. On the return wind was due South and we had a good voyage back. Need to aware of swell if wind onshore on Maplin sands particularly because of limited depth.

Adrian Cox

Shema 2008 26M

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