Summer week in Holland

Saturday 19th to Saturday 26th June.
Ijslmeer, Lemmer, North Holland (location changed from Dinteloord)
Contact: Bill Millar (send a PM to contact privately)

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Re: Summer week in Holland

My “Cruising Guide to the Netherlands” quotes for this particular area:

This is definitely sailing country. The distances are short and there are many wide lakes, providing you have shallow draught. Yachting facilities are extremely plentiful and this is the place par excellence where a wide variety of traditional Dutch sailing craft can be seen cruising and racing.

I’m very grateful to Anneka Wallace who has put together the following notes:

I couldn’t help doing a little pre-planning also to make sure I hadn’t oversold my cruising ground. The ideal would be to spend some time on the lakes and canals and sample the dutch specialities and if the weather is right, lock out onto the Ijsselmeer and explore some of the old seaports on the Friesian side or cross over to Enkhuizen and/or Medemblik . We used to do this with the barge a lot but I have not been outside with a Mac yet and it would be great to do that in company. We can look at all that later.

Lemmer is just off the A6 dual carriage way from the south and once I look at the available slips will provide driving instructions. The municipal inner marina has parking for trailers/cars etc and a slip but it is quite narrow, although I did consider using it. Read somewhere it was 3m wide. It is build into the quayside on the canal. I’ll go and look and find others in April. Lemmer has a good chandler and many shops and café terrasses to sit and watch the boats go by.
Only drawback is that the prevailing wind is SW and therefore often on the leashore of the Ijsselmeer and it can get rather choppy to get out with a long beat to get to better water. However my thought was to go inland first and go out at Stavoren anyway (for those that wanted open water!!)

Ijsselmeer - although it is not tidal and an inland sea it can turn quite nasty at times. It is very shallow and can quickly produce a peculiar short sharp wave through which our 3m wide but 18m long barge just ploughed on. Many small yachts sail there but I have stood on the dyke and watched them struggle in the short chop – much like Cyan in the picture! Thunder storms are the thing to watch out for in the summer but the weather forecasts are good. VHF, radio, marinas, online.l

Charts
For Ijsselmeer 1810 but I cannot remember how detailed the inland bit is so recommend - The ANWB Friesland B or just the Friesian lakes portion. About 13 Euro and usually available in Lemmer.
No seatoilets allowed in Friesland now. Must have holding tank
Chemical loo points in marinas but I did see a map somewhere with them marked.
Showers/Toilets ashore most marinas have showers and even some villages for those that moor on the town quay.
Passanten - Friesland is well endowed with visitors berths/jetties in marinas. ( no moorings)
Marrekritten – free overnight mooring facilities usually a little outside the villages or in the sticks. Mown banks or jetties with rubbish bins. Marked on chart with red bollard. June should not be too busy yet.
Opening Bridges cost about 2 Euro collected in a clog on a fishing line.
VHF. All channels for weather and bridges listed in Almamak . All inland waterways now have to have ATIS enabled vhf but I don’t know how much they are checking other than a report on a dutch sailing forum.
I have attached the Icom help sheet on ATIS and the RYA link below
http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/boatingabroad/pages/atis.aspx
Fees Lemmer Municipal inner and outer harbour
Visitor berth About €10 per day
Boat and /or trailer parking approx €6.50 per week
Use of Slip approx €4. Pressure Washer €7.50

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I think the ATIS requirement needs to be treated seriously. As I understand it, the European RAINWAT countries took a relaxed attitude towards foreign boats up to January last year, but since then they require all VHF sets to be ATIS compliant. I don't know how zealous they are about checking, but I don't think not having the correct radio is a risk I'd like to take.

Looking at the info on the RYA and Ofcom, you have to allow a month turn-round to get your ATIS number and licence variation. There's no online process, but you can email Ofcom and request it. Part of the time taken is apparently because Ofcom have to send your details to Belgium to be put on the central ATIS ship database.

Then there's the radio. I've looked into the implications for my 2-year old Standard Horizon, and they will do a conversion for £32 (incl. return postage) if you send the set to their UK office. All the info, including which models can be converted, is in a PDF available here.

You can't send the set to be converted until you have the letter back from Ofcom. I've just emailed SH to ask what their turn-round is, so I don't yet know how long that will take.

I presume other manufacturers have similar arrangements, but in any event it's something to be thought about well in advance.

You have to make sure the ATIS mode can be switched off as well, as it's illegal in the UK.

And for the record, I'm very interested in this trip, but I'm not 100% certain I can do it yet.

Rick

Rick Jones (Treasurer) 1994 Mac 19 "White Lightning", Isle of Wight

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RE the ATIS Licence, if you already hold a DSC Licence, all you have to do is to send an e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk as follows:

Would you please vary my Ship Radio Licence for ATIS use. My current details are:
Licence No xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Name ..................
Address................
Vessel..................
Callsign................
MMSI 235.............
Date of issue .........

Many thanks.

Then ignore the automated reply that comes back immediately. A personal e-mail with the required authorisation and ATIS Licence and number comes within 24 hours (in my case). The Licence makes reference to the Basel Agreement and states that it is necessary to carry a copy on board. It's 38 pages of printing for your little printer, Rick.

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Thanks for the info Bill. Sounds like it's a much quicker process than Ofcom suggest! I think I'll get on and do that, then I can get the radio converted before I start using the boat this year.

Rick Jones (Treasurer) 1994 Mac 19 "White Lightning", Isle of Wight

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My 4 year old NASA 35X VHF with DSC can't be set up for ATIS!

Option1 - buy a new VHF!??
Option 2 remove it altogether whilst on inland waterways abroad?

I can't make out from any of the literature that I've read if Option 2 is OK. I can see it is compulsory to have ATIS on you VHF but is it compulsory to have a VHF?

Has anyone figured it out?

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Bill - you're right, they were very quick. I emailed last w/e and got the documents by email on Monday! Standard Horizon told me about 10 days turn round, or possibly faster by pre-arrangement.

Mike - interesting question, I tried looking for an answer and couldn't find anything either. I suspect that on vessels our size it probably isn't mandatory to have VHF at all, but it would be nice to find something authoritative.

Rick Jones (Treasurer) 1994 Mac 19 "White Lightning", Isle of Wight

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I tried the YBW forum. Got some duff answers but also got one confirming VHF not compulsory so just remove it temporarily (validity of this opinion not known, of course).

The view was also given that often lock keepers don't answer VHF calls - better to use the phone numbers in the almanac

Mike

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Hi
I have checked on a dutch website and found a leaflet on vhf use. My almanak with the rules is on board unfortunately. I can confirm that a vhf is not compulsory for pleasure craft but if you have one you must listen in on channel 10 or the locally applicable block channel. A portable vhf is also allowed but must also be switched to ATIS mode on the inland waterways.

My ATIS number also came back by return and even a new radio licence as the licence had been in Colin's name. Full marks to Ofcom.

Anneke

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Notes for Participants (these have been sent to those who have notified thier intention to be there).

The Friesland Village of Sloten (zip code 8556 Sloten, Friesland, Netherlands) is about 10 minutes drive from Lemmer. It’s her home port and she comments that the small marina there is quiet and relaxed with good facilities. The slipway is concrete although, with a dog-leg bend around a large shed on the approach, may be slightly awkward for reversing trailers. The village shops, bars and restaurants are only a short walk away. Sloten is situated on a canal, not far from the Ijslmeer and so we will be able to choose whether to go boating on the canals or the more exposed inland sea, depending on weather forecast at the time.
You can see Sloten on Google Earth using the address “Sloten 8556”. The small marina on the south-west corner is where we plan to go.
Mooring generally is bow-or stern-to. For a Mac, access over the bow is difficult; mooring stern-to may be hazardous for outboards and propellers. (Perhaps a stern gangplank would be useful??).
Marina charges are likely to be of the order of €16.67 per boat to cover slipway use and parking car and trailer for the week. Overnight visitors berth probably about €10. Mooring alongside canal banks is generally free. Bridges may require payment of €1-2 for opening so it is useful to carry a supply of suitable euro coins.
Getting there
Calais to Sloten 8556 is about 280 miles according to the RAC Routefinder http://www.rac.co.uk/route-planner/ Anneke warns that the motorways junction near Utrecht gets very congested at rush-hour times in particular. It’s difficult to avoid so just allow for this in any route planning. Hook of Holland to Sloten is about 118 miles. Anneka will prepare a sketch of the recommended approach to the marina from the main E6, avoiding passing through the town of Lemmer.
Charts & Pilots
ANWB Chart Friesland B 2010 (or 2008-9 if you can’t get 2010) should cover where we expect to go. Available from Bookharbour @£11, but almost certainly also available to purchase in Holland. Dutch Regulations also require that you have on board the current Dutch Wateralmanak Part 1 (all in Dutch), although Anneka comments that an older one will probably suffice if you already have that. (Bookharbour £..). She will prepare a summary of bridge opening times, etc.

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Just to let you know that I have now booked my ferries (Isle of Wight as well as Channel!), and Roly will be crewing with me. It's a reversal of roles from last year in Morbihan.

We'll be on the same Dover-Calais crossings as the Robbens', so look forward to seeing you guys in the Sea France queue. Won't be so lonely having a kip beside the autoroute either (which I assume you'll be doing)!

I now have to get all my paperwork sorted out. Seems you have to take loads of stuff you'll never read - Almanak, Basle Arrangement, aaarrghh :(

I'm trying to think how you can securely moor stern-to and keep the rudders and o/b clear of the quay or pontoon. I agree with Bill, a plank could be useful, but you'd still need something like a pair of very thick fenders so you can moor firmly without crushing what's sticking off the stern.

How do you keep the bow steady? Is it normal to throw the anchor out Mediterranean-style, or use long bow lines to either side - or to adjacent boats?

Looking forward to the trip (Portsmouth rally first though!).

Rick Jones (Treasurer) 1994 Mac 19 "White Lightning", Isle of Wight

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Most people moor bow to . There are two mooring posts out from the shore for the stern lines which you throw a line over as you come into the box and there will be a short narrow finger jetty on one side from the shore. Your crew, if you have one can get off with the lines to two mooring posts ashore. It's a little trickier on your own. You are quite secure between the four posts and can run a spring to the outer post whether bow or stern to to hold you off the quay

My old berth had a very long jetty and I had no problem but the new one is very short like many of the visitor berths. In some places you can just moor alongside though.

The trouble with the Macs is that once you are set up with a sprayhood and/or enclosure for the night the finger jetty is often too short to reach to the cockpit and you have to be rather agile to climb forward . I wouldn't dare leave Rahui for long periods stern to in my own berth for fear of damage to the outboard but when staying on board I will turn her stern to next time so I can hopefully step onto the jetty. I do have a light plank also.

Hope this helps a little and I'm really looking forward to seing you all in Friesland.
Anneke