26M Daggerboard

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rick.jones
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I keep track of all items of

I keep track of all items of MOA property as part of the accounts, so I should record the dagger-board mould as another item. I would like to give it a notional value, could anyone hazard a guess as to what it is worth?

The cost of having a new one made would be about right, I don't know what that would be. Mike - as the person who made it, what do you think it would have cost to get made?

I also keep track of which member holds each item, so I'll put it down as in Duncan's possession. Please let me know if it's passed to anyone else.

Thanks.

Rick Jones (Treasurer) 1994 Mac 19 "White Lightning", Isle of Wight

mike.clarke
Hi Rick,

Hi Rick,

The dagger board mould cost about £120 in materials plus whatever value you put on 2 -3 days work to make it. It actually takes about 15 -20 hours of work over 3-4 days in preparing the mould model to take it from then laying up the mould itself and trimming ready for use.

I actually used a 1m2 mould production kit from: https://www.ecfibreglasssupplies.co.uk/product/fibreglass-moulding-kit-1... using their proper Crystic mould tooling resins as this produces a good stable mould that is size stable to the original model being moulded. The dager board also happens to be almost exactly 1m2 surface area per side.

I've just used the same materials to make a radio controlled wave penetrating model hull during lock down!

Mike - Tarka 26M

rick.jones
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Thanks Mike.

Thanks Mike.

I'll put its value down as £500, that seems a reasonable amount to cover the labour involved.

Rick Jones (Treasurer) 1994 Mac 19 "White Lightning", Isle of Wight

simon.armitage
Rick, If it got damaged and

Rick, If it got damaged and we needed a new one it would cost loads more then that to have it repaired or replaced professionally and then it needs to be insured for its replacement value.

On the other hand, of course, we may go back to square one and either find a willing member to repair or replace it or buy from BYW.

Simon Armitage.

duncan.cairney
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Hi,  For anyone that may be

Hi, For anyone that may be interested, I delivered the the daggerboard mould to the fabricators today in order that Richard can have a new board made. For any other member looking for a new board or spare for their 26M this may be a good opportunity to have one made. The mould is at Fibreglass Fabrications, 33 Abercorn Street, Paisley PA3 4AL Tel: 0141 889 8723 Contact is Martin McGrath Martin McGrath at Fibreglass Fabrications: http://fgfpaisley.co.uk/

I had a new board made by Martin around 18 months ago and below is feedback from Jonathan who had one made last year which Martin shipped to London for him.

On 12 Feb 2020, at 10:25, J G Fox <jgf@btinternet.com> wrote:

 Duncan,

Thanks for getting in touch and I can confirm the service was excellent and included posting it to me in London. I then took it out to Venice by air under Easyjet's "Sport Board" category as hold luggage with no problems. So your contact in Holland may have to do the same as Martin McGrath did not appear to be used to sending items abroad.

As to the Board itself, I have yet to try it on the boat as I bought it as a spare. (The lagoon in Venice has some tricky depths and I have damaged one board already. Had it fixed locally but great to have had the use of the moulds to have one in reserve). The board looks no different to the original and appears good quality including the finish.

Hope that helps

Jonathan

PS. Any member visiting Venice is more than welcome to get in touch with me as I would be delighted to sail with them around the Lagoon or out in the Adriatic. I am out there off and on for most of the summer months.

Once Martin has completed Richard's board and any other required I will collect the mould from FGF. Please contact Martin directly if you want to order a board and, by all means give me a call if you want to have a chat about it. Duncan 07917 794518

best regards to all, Duncan

Phone: 0141 889 8723

Duncan

roger.morris
I have just taken delivery of

I have just taken delivery of my 26M and love it. Thank you, Ian! However, on our first shake down cruise we have managed to loose our dagger board! The shallows we had found in the middle of Loch Lomond about an hour earlier had turned out not to be a shoal of fish, and well done my crew member on the bow, looking back and shouting.... "Dad, was that our dagger board that I have just seen?".

Thank you, Duncan, for getting the 26M Dagger board mould back to Fibreglass Fabrications, 33 Abercorn St, Paisley PA3 4AL Phone: 0141 889 8723 for them to make me a dagger board this time...

They have the experience to make it but the price I fear is going up. They have just quoted me £415 + VAT =£498inc. but say that they can do a club discount on bulk at £365+VAT, if we buy 5 at a go. Your work, Roly? Anyone else need one?

I am not sure about the cost saving mechanics of bulk orders when there is only one mould, and they were talking about getting the right RAL number for the gelcoat, which I am also not sure about, as once installed I hope it will never be seen again, except to antifoul... I am very grateful not to have to go to the USA for one, and to have a supplier preparedto do one off's for us is very precious.

Do we know the layup they are using for the board itself so we can specify if there was any milage going out to other manufacturers.

I look forward to being sailing again, but isn't it lovely having a capable powerboat in the absence of a dagger board. I look forward to meeting other members as and when such things can be arranged!

Thank you all.

Roger Morris, 07799 660275

duncan.cairney
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 The Daggerboard mould is now

The Daggerboard mould is now back at the fabricators should anyone else want a board made. The company is clearly busy but Martin has said he will certainly squeeze in a new board for Roger. As I have said before, I am just the 'custodian of the mould' and I am quite happy to deliver it to and collect it from the fabricator as required. I am also quite happy to pass to another member if they wish use a different fabricator for reason of cost or loction with agreement of the club secretary.

Happy sailing and social distancing.

Best regards to all, Duncan

Duncan

mike.clarke
Hi folks

Hi folks

For what it's worth I would suggest staying with the current fabricator as they appear to have sorted out the process. Its quite important that the two halves are bonded together and with the central strut properly and this takes a certain amount of skill and experience. The second board I made was a lot easier and quicker to make than the first as I had to work out the process with the first. If he has sorted the process Id say stay with it. On price I think he is being realistic given the cost of materials and the time it takes. The gel coat colour isn't very important as in the case of the boards I made I epoxy coated them with Hempel anti Osmosis that is an off white colour and its the antifouling that determines the final colour. The actual resin used needs to be a vinyl ester resin rather than a cheaper polyester resin as the vinyl resin is more water tolerant on the side that is exposed to water and is not gel coated ie the inside that floods in use. A polyester resin tends to take up water and can eventually go white as it is hydrolysed and softened.

Hope this helps.

Mike Clarke - I made original mould and a couple fo boards from it.

simon.armitage
Hallo, Roger,

Hallo, Roger,

Welcome to Macs and the Association.

You will find lots of postings here about how difficult, even impossible, it is to steer a 26M at low speeds with the dagger board up. (or in your case, no board) The wind and tide will take control.

The good book says rudders and dagger board down at low speeds and once you are up to around 5/6knts up the board and rudders.

Good Luck

Simon Armitage

Sowenna 26M

roger.morris
Thank you all,

Thank you all,

I have placed my order for a replacement board with Fibreglass Fabricators and am hoping to be back sailing soon!

Just in case, do we have a similar line in rudders?

Roger

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